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    Default Please Help! How can I have a disc bulge where there is an artificial disc?

    I had ADR on March 31, 2009 and recently had a CT myelogram because of continuing pain. I was a little confused with the results of the CT myelogram. This is what it said at the level of the artificial disc:

    C3-4 Visualization slightly limited by beam hardening from anterior
    metal fusion including vertebral body screws. Artificial disc. No
    evidence of hardware complications. Uncovertebral joint hypertrophy and
    mild nonspecific posterior soft tissue/disc bulge results in partial
    effacement of ventral thecal sac but no spinal stenosis.

    If I had an artificial disc put in, how can there still be a disc bulge at that level? This even looked funny to me on the actual films. I asked my neurosurgeon about it and he said that he had to put the artificial disc further back to make it more stable.

    This just doesn't seem right to me. Why would my neurosurgeon place the artificial disc so that it was effacing the thecal sac? Is this usually how artificial discs are placed? Could this be the reason why my pain never went away?

    I would appreciate any help I can get on this. I don't know if I should find another neurosurgeon for an opinion on whether the disc was placed wrong. If so, do I need to find a neurosurgeon with a lot of experience in artificial discs? Does anyone know a neurosurgeon with cervical artificial disc experience in the Chicago area (besides CINN)?

    Thanks!
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    Default Re: Please Help! How can I have a disc bulge where there is an artificial disc?

    Quote Originally Posted by rebeccawlaw View Post
    I had ADR on March 31, 2009 and recently had a CT myelogram because of continuing pain. I was a little confused with the results of the CT myelogram. This is what it said at the level of the artificial disc:

    C3-4 Visualization slightly limited by beam hardening from anterior
    metal fusion including vertebral body screws. Artificial disc. No
    evidence of hardware complications. Uncovertebral joint hypertrophy and
    mild nonspecific posterior soft tissue/disc bulge results in partial
    effacement of ventral thecal sac but no spinal stenosis.

    If I had an artificial disc put in, how can there still be a disc bulge at that level? This even looked funny to me on the actual films. I asked my neurosurgeon about it and he said that he had to put the artificial disc further back to make it more stable.

    This just doesn't seem right to me. Why would my neurosurgeon place the artificial disc so that it was effacing the thecal sac? Is this usually how artificial discs are placed? Could this be the reason why my pain never went away?
    Interesting. Without seeing the films, all of my thoughts regarding the above would be pure speculation.

    Quote Originally Posted by rebeccawlaw View Post
    I would appreciate any help I can get on this. I don't know if I should find another neurosurgeon for an opinion on whether the disc was placed wrong. If so, do I need to find a neurosurgeon with a lot of experience in artificial discs? Does anyone know a neurosurgeon with cervical artificial disc experience in the Chicago area (besides CINN)?

    Thanks!
    Rebecca, another opinion from either a neurosurgeon or orthopedic surgeon sounds like it's indicated.

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    Default Re: Please Help! How can I have a disc bulge where there is an artificial disc?

    I would definitely get the second opinion too. I did read something saying that part of the disc was left for ADR. I didn't really understand why or if this is all discs or what. I'll have to see if I can find that post on here.
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    Wow, can't believe I found it that quickly (awesome search function Justin ) Here is the link on it Pain from disc annulus POST ADR?
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    Default Re: Please Help! How can I have a disc bulge where there is an artificial disc?

    I have had nerve root decompression post ADR. You can either have pain from stenosis or disc (posterior) that is very difficult to take out anteriorly.
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    Default Re: Please Help! How can I have a disc bulge where there is an artificial disc?

    Thanks so much for the responses! I love this site!

    KBear- thanks for the info on the previous post. It was very very informative.
    Diagnoses: FMS, Interstitial Cystitis, Osteoarthritis and bone spurs in cervical spine, herniations C4-5. C6-7

    Surgeries: Cervical Discectomy & Fusion C5-6, Bladder cystoscopy & hydrodistension (2005), Surgery to remove scar tissue in urinary tract & bladder (2008), Cervical Discectomy & Artificial Disc Replacement (2009)

    I've been told I need a third spine surgery at age 32. I'm currently debating whether to go through with it...

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