Stenum Hospital in Germany for ADR surgery

[juju]

Hi everyone,

Nice to have this site.

My closest and dearest of friends recently went to Stenum Hospital in Germany for ADR surgery. He walked into the hospital and one month following surgery was taken to a Rehab Hospital in Germany for another two months of therapies. The reason why, when he awoke from surgery, he was paralyzed from the neck down. Nearly six months later and having return home, he remains in a rehab hospital, having difficulty regaining any movement with his arms or legs. Every human function requires a nurse. He walked into Stenum Hospital upright and left on a stretcher.

Just a word of caution. Beware.

If anyone knows of anyone else who has experienced any difficulties whatsoever, please contact me. I would like to hear your story.

thanks

[KBear]

I am so sorry to hear that your friend suffered from one of the worst possible complications of surgery. I know we all like to think when we sign that waiver that it won't be us to have the complications listed, and most of the time it isn't; but sometimes it is. We often forget just how major of an operation spinal surgery is and that it can be life or death. I found this great site with possible complications, that I think every patient should look over and consider before going into an operating room. http://www.allaboutbackpain.com/html...lications.html Each of us must weigh possible pros and cons and make that decision for our own personal case.

[Hooch]

To say I'm sorry to hear it doesn't really cover that level of disability. I'm sorry anyway fwiw.

How did it happen?

[trkdoc714]

I wasn't going to reply to this post at first but decided to point out a few facts:

juju doesn't offer any qualifications or facts to verify this story. As in past instances where a surgeon or hospital has been openly condemned I think it's important for readers to take accusations such as this with a grain of salt. There have been several spine brokers try to discredit Stenum (and others) in this manner. In the end, no solid proof has ever been presented to verify the stories.

I know of only one patient (Rob Wilson) that had a problem at Stenum and damage to the illiac veins is a hazard with ALL anterior lumbar procedures, regardless of the surgeon or hospital.

The readers should bear in mind that numerous patients on this and other forums have reported remarkable successes from their experiences at Stenum.

Bob

[Hooch]

Well Bob I am yet to see any 'solid proof' of your success, so maybe we should discount your story as well?

This sort of outcome is a risk with cervical surgery.

Just a completely inappropriate thing to say buddy.

[Hooch]

Prob the same person, the timeline match up. What a tragedy.

[rhatzy]

If you go to this guy's site, you will out that his "friend" that is paralysed is the exact same story from some women who posted on his site about her boyfriend being paralysed

[Hooch]

I don't see anything to indicate that this is part of some sort of misinformation campaign, or anything that justifies attacking the op's credibility or editing links out of my post that support the credibility of the op.

If I'm wrong, at worst I look like a fool. If you're wrong, you're pillorying people who are not as fortunate as you and suffered a devastating loss. Up to u.

I suppose you're not paranoid if everyone's out to get you ey?

[KBear]

I don't see anything to indicate that this is part of some sort of misinformation campaign, or anything that justifies attacking the op's credibility or editing links out of my post that support the credibility of the op.

If I'm wrong, at worst I look like a fool. If you're wrong, you're pillorying people who are not as fortunate as you and suffered a devastating loss. Up to u.

I suppose you're not paranoid if everyone's out to get you ey?

Unfortunately those of us who have been around for a few years (or more) have seen some pretty shady stuff happen. There are spine brokers who try to discredit certain doctors and hospitals, because those doctors and hospitals will not pay their fees for referrals. I have seen first hand people hurt by spine brokers and lies. There are others who are just bitter people and and are more interested in causing trouble than helping others. Not everyone's intentions are pure and when someone makes a huge accusation like this on their first post, it makes us a little weary.

I hate to hear anyone is in worse shape after surgery, but sadly that is the risk we all agree to (that form you sign before going in) and it happens. They don't make up all those possible complications, all those listed things have happened to somebody. Sometimes the surgeon is at fault and negligent, but sometimes it just the luck of the draw. I can give you a horror story for every big name surgeon out there, it happens. Any doctor who says they don't have failures or un-happy patients is a liar.

[Hooch]

Well I'm aware of all that KBear, as I looked through people stories of recovery (or otherwise) on different forums I inevitably ran across all that rubbish, and recognised names with 'banned' next to them and all the rest of it.

If that is a concocted story designed to associate Stenum with a poor coutcome it is a very well constructed one that has kept it's timeline intact with a previous post on another forum a number of months ago. On the balance of probabilities... sometimes you've got to take off the tin hat and give people the benefit of the doubt. It is at least polite, considering the chance that you may very well be talking to someone who is not playing silly buggers. As you indicated in your first post paralysis is a very real risk of cervical surgery, no matter which surgeon does the op.

Anyway barring any more input from the op one way or another, I won't have any more to say on it.