i had one put on before my 2 level ADR for
pain relief afterwards. it played no role in my
op. it was not successful for pain relief afterwards. I could feel one side.
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Will someone who understand this better than me explain the reasons for epidural during and after surgery. I was trying to tell another member about it, but don't know enough (other than you want one) thanks
i had one put on before my 2 level ADR for
pain relief afterwards. it played no role in my
op. it was not successful for pain relief afterwards. I could feel one side.
Kathy, I first heard of this from the doctors at Stenum when I was trying to get over there for surgery.
Their thought is that even with a general anesthetic without an additional epidural, the body still feels pain. This causes much more stress and increases the amount of pain felt post-op.
Whether or not many think that theory is valid, I can tell you that this past surgery was incredibly easy to recover from, and I felt much, much better than I did after my hysterectomy seven years ago. I requested the epidural for during and after the surgery, and the only real increase in pain after it was withdrawn was distraction pain in my legs, an irritating burning sensation.
Those two days of relative calm after surgery helped my healing immensely. The body heals more quickly if it isn't battling pain...I was more relaxed and had more energy to put into the right areas.
My best friend is a veterinarian and is a huge believer in pain control and how it helps the animals cope post-op. She said that pain alone can actually kill an animal, but they are usually so good at covering up the signs of pain that it is easy for it to get ahead of them. Not me...if I am miserable the whole world knows it![]()
I hope that helps answer your question.
Severe compression of spinal cord, flaval ligament, etc. at C4/5 & 5/6.
Herniation and compression, at L3/4 to L5/S1 plus spondylosis at the latter level. Severe allergy to most metals.
Three level surgery in Brazil with Dr. Luiz Pimenta on March 17/2010 using non-metal appliances. L5/S1-PEEK cage, ALIF; L4/5-PEEK cage, XLIF; C5/6-NuVasive NeoDisc. Three separate approaches, two minimally invasive. Currently minor residual back pain, from SI ligament and still overdoing things. Therapy and chiropractic treatments helping immensely. Gone from being almost bedridden to near normal activities including gardening. Life is gooooood!
In addition to keeping you comfortable, pain control can help you recover faster and may reduce your risk of developing certain complications after surgery, such as pneumonia and blood clots. If your pain is well controlled, you will be better able to complete important tasks such as walking and deep breathing exercises. Having an epidural after surgery (although it's not fail safe and a complete guarantee of pain relief) in my opinion is your best chance of getting complete pain relief after surgery....especially if you are tolerant to pain medication or have been taking pain medicine for a while. In order to have an epidural during and after surgery there needs to be an anesthesiologist on hand the entire time to moitor you and make any necessary adjustments. Some smaller hospitals (like the one I had my L4-S1 ALIF at) do not have the ability to offer an epidural for the 1st 24-48 hours after surgery when pain is usually at its highest and their is greatest need for relief.
I want to say mre but I keep doxing off at the computer so I'm gonna get a little more shut eye and get back to you later!
The reason epidurals are done is for pain control. Epidurals can be with or without a catheter. Most, if not every, patient where I am currently working get an epidural with a catheter preop so that meds can easily be administered post-op. As Greg mentioned above, more pain relief = faster recovery (in most cases) which allows patients to ambulate earlier and they can thus be discharged from the hospital sooner.
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In state of the art spine surgery, where most of surgeries are "aware state", one possibility is of anesthesia is epidural injection, its sometimes called neuraxial anesthesia. Unfortunately, most of traditional spine surgeries still include full anesthesia.
With minimally-invasive procedures, patients usually get light sedations or spinal block (like epidural injection) and then after the surgery, they don't get the new epidural like you mention...doctors insert small amounts of steroids around the nerve root or inside the disc to treat the inflammation.
I had the "twilight" sedation which included the epidural. They also gave me two tablets (take the blue pill, Neo). Although I was pretty much out of it through the operation, I was aware of what was going on during parts of the surgery. I vaguely remember the getting the excision of disc material and later, the tapping in of a Maverick.
It might have the power of suggestion from Stenum's distractors but I might have been awake during the cocktail break as well. I think I was wheeled past the lounge on the way to the operation room. I think Ozzie Osborne was on stage.....
After surgery the epidural was left in until the second day after surgery. The pain at that point was easily controlled and only a small percentage of the pain I experienced before surgery. The only discomfort I remember was after the effects wore off but the oxycodone managed that pain very well.
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Thank you all for the responses!
31 years old-
1/06- In wreck with 18 wheeler at 25 years old; 6/06- Head on collision on Interstate, both wrecks other drivers fault. Numerous MRI's, PT, chiropractic, acupuncture, TENS therapy, massage therapy, facet injections, epidural injections, Nerve study, Discogram, confirms pain in L4/5, IDET, decompression, Bi-lateral neurotomy L3/4/5, denied by insurance twice, in Active L clinical trial, had surgery March 17, 2009 in Miami, FL- received Active L disc at 29 years old. Pain and medication free as of October 2010!
Mommy to Emma- 8 years, Ava- 5.5 years & had baby Eli after ADR, via c-section on March 25, 2011, completely pain free still!
Thanks Kathy for starting this thread.And thanks for all the feedback on this topic.
With my upcoming surgery date planned I will definetly be inquring with my doctor on this.
I have had 2 surgeries now on my spine and have had numerous problems with anesthesia and
pain control after.I sure do not want to this time the Epidural sounds like a good idea.
Thanks for the Information.
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Back troubles Teenager-no specific accident ,DDD Lumbar Cervical-Arthritic Facets,etc.
Cervical Issues- alternative procedures,meds,PT,Diskogram,myelogram
'07 ADCF C5-6 Surgeon closed shop left me with screws backing out 2months after surgery
'09 Revsion Surgery C5-6 3 screws had backed out, scarring connective tissue,fluid build up,NonUnion
'10 complete fusion and Hardware show no issues
Lumbar issues - DDD alternative procedures,meds,PT,Diskogram verifies L4-5 and L5-S1 pain generators ,Annular disk tear,herinated disk both levels, Facet Hypertrophy
September 28,2010 On my 40th Birthday I recieved the gift of a new spine.My Prodisc at L4-5 and ALIF at L-5S1.
Thank you Dr.Blumenthal and Dr.Lieberman you are the BEST.
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