I think there is another topic on sitting MRI. We discussed there few weeks ago
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Hi All
I found this something for better MRI testing?
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WASHINGTON — MRI images taken when the patient is upright can make a world of difference when evaluating a patient's spinal pathology before and after surgery, Dr. J. Randy Jinkins said at the annual meeting of the American Society for Neuroradiology.
"Scanning patients flat on their backs really isn't doing the job," said Dr. Jinkins, senior research fellow with Fonar Corp., the Melville, N.Y.-based manufacturer of the Stand-Up MRI. Images taken while the patient is lying down can seriously underestimate the degree of degenerative spinal pathology, he said.
An MRI performed while the patient is in a standing position, however, can help identify position-related, clinically relevant spinal pathology to ensure that an accurate diagnosis is made, he said.
The machine is fully open from both the front and the top, so that the patient can flex and extend his or her spine various degrees while standing or sitting. The scan table translates, rotates, and elevates without interfering with the magnetic field.
Importantly, the Stand-Up MRI permits a variety of images to be taken when the patient is in weight-bearing positions and is therefore more likely to capture what the spine looks like in painful versus nonpainful positions. At least one sequence of images should be taken when the patient is in the most painful position so symptoms can be correlated with imaging observations, advised Dr. Jinkins, who is also professor of radiology at Drexel University, Philadelphia.
However, data on the clinical value of determining the maximal degree of spinal pathology are anecdotal.
Case in point: At 8 months of follow-up after undergoing a partial diskectomy on the right side at L5-S1, a patient developed a recurrent radiculopathy that was symptomatic only in a standing or sitting position. A postoperative supine-recumbent MRI showed no abnormality. A sagittal image in the upright position acquired by Stand-Up MRI revealed a large disk herniation protruding into the epidural space on the right side at the L5-S1 level, the side and the point of the prior microdiskectomy. The MRI images in the upright, weight-bearing position were consistent with the patient's specific position-related pain.
In another patient who had not had prior treatment, a supine-recumbent MRI showed a narrowed, desiccated disk in the midlumbar region and a very minor narrowing of the central spinal canal at the same level (fig. A). When the patient was in a neutral sitting position (partial flexion), however, the Stand-Up MRI images revealed an anterior subluxation of the suprajacent vertebral body on the subjacent body (degenerative anterior spondylolisthesis) and a greater degree of central spinal stenosis (fig. B). Therefore, the patient demonstrated hypermobile intersegmental spinal instability, a condition that may require spinal fusion at the involved level.
Such scenarios suggest that the patient's true diagnosis was missed on standard MRI, he said.
"It has always surprised me that when we speak about failed back surgery, it's always the surgeon that seems to be at fault," Dr. Jinkins added. In some cases, however, perhaps the real source of failed back surgery is in selecting an insensitive modality for preoperative assessment of the spine.
"As the scanner makes its inroads into your community, it's going to raise the standard of care," he said. But availability of the technology is a hurdle at this point.
Currently, a total of 18 Stand-Up MRIs are available for commercial use in New York, Maryland, Florida, and California, Dr. Jinkins said. Nor do CPT codes for the procedure exist yet, Dr. Jinkins said, so ancillary codes have been used.
About 50% of all MRIs in the United States involve the spine.
Fig. A: Recumbent MRI shows disk degeneration and minor central canal stenosis at L3-4.
Fig. B: MRI in a sitting position shows mildly increased central canal stenosis at L3-4. Photos courtesy Dr. J. Randy Jinkins
L5-S1 lam 1994
L2 to L5 DDD
L3 -L4 hern Dec 2007.
L4-L5 Annular fissure with mild central stenosis and moderate facet hypertrophy.
L5-S1 bilaterial neural foraminal narrowing with inferior effacement.
L2-L3 Right-sided neural foraminal narrowing
L3-L4 related to posterolateral hypertrophic spurs and facet hypertrophy.
C3-C4 limited DDD
15 injections Depo. P.T. 18 months 9 dose packs,
Nerve Block Injections.4 ESI S1
L5-S1 Foraminotomy 09
L4-L5 Microdiscectomy 09 ReHerniation 4-2010
Surgery 6-29-11 L4-L5-S1 Decompression Fusion L5-S1 and Coflex F implants
I think there is another topic on sitting MRI. We discussed there few weeks ago
I wonder when this will become used in diagnosis of spine problems on a regular basis? I would be curious to have known what my MRI pre-surgery looked like in the standing position (especially during the time when all the dr's acted like i was crazy and nothing was wrong with me).
31 years old-
1/06- In wreck with 18 wheeler at 25 years old; 6/06- Head on collision on Interstate, both wrecks other drivers fault. Numerous MRI's, PT, chiropractic, acupuncture, TENS therapy, massage therapy, facet injections, epidural injections, Nerve study, Discogram, confirms pain in L4/5, IDET, decompression, Bi-lateral neurotomy L3/4/5, denied by insurance twice, in Active L clinical trial, had surgery March 17, 2009 in Miami, FL- received Active L disc at 29 years old. Pain and medication free as of October 2010!
Mommy to Emma- 8 years, Ava- 5.5 years & had baby Eli after ADR, via c-section on March 25, 2011, completely pain free still!
Keano
Sorry I missed it
Gil![]()
L5-S1 lam 1994
L2 to L5 DDD
L3 -L4 hern Dec 2007.
L4-L5 Annular fissure with mild central stenosis and moderate facet hypertrophy.
L5-S1 bilaterial neural foraminal narrowing with inferior effacement.
L2-L3 Right-sided neural foraminal narrowing
L3-L4 related to posterolateral hypertrophic spurs and facet hypertrophy.
C3-C4 limited DDD
15 injections Depo. P.T. 18 months 9 dose packs,
Nerve Block Injections.4 ESI S1
L5-S1 Foraminotomy 09
L4-L5 Microdiscectomy 09 ReHerniation 4-2010
Surgery 6-29-11 L4-L5-S1 Decompression Fusion L5-S1 and Coflex F implants
Oh, hey....no worries Gil. Some folks probably missed this topic a few weeks back so they are being enlightened for the first time by your post of this intriguing look at optimal MRI positioning.![]()
• January 2000 MVA passenger, used jaws of life to retrieve me, neck injury and months of PT
• June 2001 Bicycle accident, 2 compression fractures at T12/L1, Vertebroplasty Sept. 2001
• April 2006 right hip, labral tear and repair
• April 2007 3 level ProDisc @ L3/4, L4/5 & L5/6✷ ✷Lumbosacral transitional vertebra; Dr. Rudolph Bertagnoli
• July 2, 2008 ALIF & Laminectomy @ L6/S1
• July 30, 2008 re-opened 28 days later to remove bone cement that had leaked onto S1 nerve root
• August 2008 Pulmonary embolism, double pneumonia, collapsed left lung, re-hospitalized 1 week
• March 10, 2009 Right SI Joint Fusion
• April 27, 2010 2nd right hip arthroscopy to remove adhesions and release psoas muscle
• September 30, 2010 lumbar facet rhizotomy
• December 9, 2010 12 bilateral lumbar trigger point and steroid injections
• December 23, 2010 12 more bilateral trigger point injections w/o steroid
• February 15, 2011 ESI bilaterally in lower lumbar...relief only for few days. Considering 1 more.
Did Spinal Cord Stimulator trial from 5/11/11-5/17/11 with excellent results; Spinal Cord Stimulator surgery is Monday,
July 18, 2011
Gil, thanks for posting this--it's much appreciated!![]()
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