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    What's That Smell?

    Orthopedics This Week
    Robin Young • Tue, Feb 1st, 2011
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    Up until the middle of the 20th century, coal miners would take a canary into the mines. Canaries are especially sensitive to methane and carbon monoxide, which made them ideal for detecting any dangerous gas build-ups. As long as the canary in a coal mine kept singing, the miners knew their air supply was safe. A dead canary in a coal mine signaled the need for immediate action.

    Rising Rates of Denials

    We at Orthopedics This Week have been hearing from an increasing number of spine surgeons about rising rates of reimbursement denials for cases that, in the past, would be approved. Furthermore, the denials do NOT seem to have a scientific basis. Could these independent alerts from surgeons be a “canary in the orthopedic mine” in terms of alerting us to a toxic trend on the part of insurance companies?

    For example, this professor and chief of spine surgery at a major teaching hospital in the Midwest wrote us and said “We have experienced blanket denials by Medica and others and have just about given up trying (even though this is covered by Medicare, FDA approved and used on-label). I think some of it becomes surgeon fatigue and we stop trying for approval. Perhaps this is the desired goal of the payers.”

    His scheduler then followed up with an email to OTW saying “It is my job, when a spinal fusion surgery is scheduled, to make sure these surgeries have prior authorization. In the two years I have been doing this job, I have increasingly had more denials then I have had approvals. In the past I would have sent out 15-20 pages of a patient’s chart, current clinical, X-rays, MRIs, etc. Now we are at 30-60 pages due to the insurance companies wanting proof of non-operative treatments tried. Most insurance companies are requiring physical therapy, for at least eight weeks, epidural steroid injections and physiological evaluations.”

    A couple months ago, Dr. Thomas Errico, the president of ISSAS, sent a note to his colleagues alerting them to the Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina’s proposed change in reimbursement policy for spine fusion. A literal storm of response from rank and file spine surgeons prompted nine surgeon societies to form an unprecedented collaboration to respond to the North Carolina proposal. Their letter to BCBS of North Carolina prompted that company to re-examine and change that policy.

    But as the stories below illustrate, the North Carolina experience may be the start of a noxious mind set on the part of insurers.

    Insurers, Denials and Milliman

    Indiana:
    “We have been dealing with this for over a year. The increasing rate of denials for coverage has resulted in huge frustration for our patients. We have learned that the only way to get them approved is have the patient call them daily and bug them. The insurance companies constantly lie to the patients telling them that it is our fault for not sending appropriate info, etc. This came to a head for me a few months ago when my scrub tech needed a front/back 5-1 fusion. She went through enormous hassle—constantly being lied to and harassed by the insurance company. But she was persistent-called them every day, sent literature and outcomes data. And the story has a happy ending. They finally OK’d it and she is now returned to work with no pain.”

    Arizona:
    1.) 65-year-old female (on Ætna) had undergone successful L3-5 laminectomy and fusion for stenosis and degenerative listhesis two years ago, achieving a pain free status for over a year. She presented with severe interval degeneration at L2-3 with back pain and stooped forward posture, decreased ability to walk for distance for one year. She tried physical therapy, medications, but the back pain and stooping slowly increased. CT scan showed L2-3 stenosis, inadequate lumbar lordosis (flatback), degenerative spondylosis at L5-S1 without stenosis. I recommended hardware removal, laminectomy L2-3, TLIF L2-3 and L5-S1, Ponte osteotomies L2-3 and L5-S1 to recover her lordosis, and posterior fusion with instrumentation L2-S1. Ætna denied the surgery, stating Milliman Care Criteria.

    2.) 50-year-oldmale (Ætna) underwent left L5-S1 laminotomy and diskectomy for herniation, with complete pain relief for five months. His left leg pain returned though it was most severe along the posterior thigh only, and not down the S1 dermatome. He also developed severe mechanical back pain which was improved by rest. Flexion-extension X-rays did not show instability, but only degenerative disc at L5-S1. New MRI showed typical degenerative L-S1 disc and scar in the operative area but no recurrence of herniation. He tried PT, meds, epidural steroid injections with short-term relief only. I recommended fusion at L5-S1, which Ætna denied. "This case does not meet the Milliman Criteria" was the reason.

    3.) 52-year-old male (Humana) with severe back pain for two years, bilateral leg pain and numbness, stooping posture, ambulatory with a quad-cane, could walk less than 1/2 block. X-rays showed 18 degrees of degenerative scoliosis L2-5 with rotational listhesis L2-3, L3-4, and flatback. He was severely out of balance in the sagittal plane (stooping forward). MRI showed severe stenosis at L4-5 with less stenosis L2-3, L3-4. I recommended L2-5 laminectomies, Ponte osteotomies to regain lordosis and correct the curve, TLIF and posterior fusion L2-3. Humana denied the surgery because the "sports medicine orthopod" that reviewed it stated that "TLIF is an experimental procedure". I pursued an appeal with someone with spine knowledge, and the reviewing neurosurgeon said "there are too many of these fusions being done". Threatened legal action finally won approval for surgery.

    “In my experience, reviewing insurance company physicians hide behind the Milliman Criteria, stating they are not withholding care, but merely outlining what is covered as a benefit based on Milliman. Reviewers insist they are not defining standards of care, only covered benefits. The patient is free to have the surgery for out of pocket payment.”

    “The Milliman Criteria seem to be part of the problem. Today I was told by one of the Ætna reviewers that a patient with a Grade 1 isthmic spondylolisthesis with bilateral foraminal stenosis and bilateral progressive L5 EMG proven radiculopathy did not meet criteria for surgery because she did not have a Grade 2 spondy. It took significant work to get the surgery approved.”

    Virginia:
    “The vast majority of denials that we have seen in Virginia continue to reference the Milliman guidelines as the basis for their denials.”

    California:
    “Definitely increased denials…all very boilerplate using the same language. ‘Denied based on Milliman Guidelines’.”

    Georgia:
    “We’ve been struggling with the Milliman nonsense in Georgia. BCBS of Georgia (Well Point- Anthem) was the first in our area. Others have followed suit. I have a patient who is an international jazz singer. Due to L4-5, 5-S1 disc degeneration, she could no longer stand on stage. Her proposed 2-level ALIF was denied based on the Milliman Criteria (BCBS). She waited until her husband could change the insurance carrier for his business so that she could proceed with the proposed treatment. She has had an excellent outcome, and is now back touring Europe. She has indicated her willingness to share her story, as she and her husband were suitably outraged over the whole mess.”

    Minnesota:
    “The issue that is raised here is in fact the practice of medicine. In deciding that suggested care is or is not appropriate, is a patient and fact set specific practice of medicine. It seems to me that this would fall under the same jurisdiction as legal testimony if it is not standard of care. At a minimum these individuals could be reported to the various professional societies committees on professionalism. I think that the approach of involving the patients and providing them with information on their individual options is exactly where we will need to go.”

    Oregon:
    “I was copied on an email this morning indicating that Regence BCBS has adopted the Milliman Guidelines, which are perhaps causing surgeons to receive increased denials for fusions for degenerative conditions in Oregon."

    Massachusetts:
    “I have just had a denial on a very solid gentleman in his 40's. He has had increasing pain for over 10 yrs. He has a normal lumbar MRI with the exception of prominent degenerative changes at L4-5. After exhausting conservative measures including injection therapy, he went through a discogram which confirmed L4-5 as his pain generator. After sitting with him and his wife, we decided to pursue an L4-5 fusion. The patient has been saving his vacation time and working in severe pain so that he can use those days for his recovery. MA BC/BS has denied his surgery (and denied his appeal). He will likely go on to lose the job he loves and endure pain with no end in sight. At least the executives at MA BC/BS will get their bonuses.”

    Involving Patients

    Then one surgeon from California offered the following response tactics when confronted with a denial that is not based on either science or known reimbursement policies.

    “Often, when I get a denial authored by a reviewer, I get the patient involved and suggest they do several things. Report the MD to the CA medical society for causing potentially unnecessary pain and suffering by failing to live up to the minimum standards and report the doctor to the insurance commissioner. (The patient also has the right to report the doctor to the respective specialty board.) Then I put in my report that I have suggested these things. Although the medical board never takes action, and a very few patients have actually done the reporting, it is surprising to me how many times I get approval on my appeal!”

    What are insurance companies doing? Clearly, there is a rising chorus of spine surgeon alerts. Could it be that the canary is sensing a more noxious environment for patients and surgeons alike?

    Justin Averna
    Founder & President, Spine Patient Society™
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    • 1994: Football Injury, Severe Hyperextension
    • 1997: Snow Skiing Injury
    • 3/7/1997: Laminotomy L4/L5
    • 1999 & 2003: Motor Vehicle Accidents (not at fault both times) --> Grade V Annular Tears L4/L5 & L5/L6
    • 11/15/2003: 2-Level ProDisc® L4/L5 & L5/L6*, *lumbosacral transitional vertebra --> Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    • 4/2008: 4.5 years pain-free before "new" leg pain
    • 5/14/2009: Dynamic Stabilization System L4/L5, Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    I'm here to help.
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    The key to changing this is having it be completely ILLEGAL for any insurance company to dictate what is medically necessary.

    I don't understand why that has never been introduced into a bill. It would be the first thing I would do in reforming our healthcare. I would then make it illegal for hospitals to charge some of the things they charge for services (120 bucks for motrin? Really?) I haven't thought about how that could be regulated, but I know it could.

    I hate the idea of big government; but in the case of reform, it has to start with our federal level, who should delegate states rights to hold the insurance companies accountable.

    I'm against public option, but, I'm for holding these insurance company's and greedy hospital administrators being held accountable for their actions. Makes you root for John Q even more in that movie.

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    Disgraceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdogchief76 View Post
    The key to changing this is having it be completely ILLEGAL for any insurance company to dictate what is medically necessary.

    I don't understand why that has never been introduced into a bill. It would be the first thing I would do in reforming our healthcare. I would then make it illegal for hospitals to charge some of the things they charge for services (120 bucks for motrin? Really?) I haven't thought about how that could be regulated, but I know it could.

    I hate the idea of big government; but in the case of reform, it has to start with our federal level, who should delegate states rights to hold the insurance companies accountable.

    I'm against public option, but, I'm for holding these insurance company's and greedy hospital administrators being held accountable for their actions. Makes you root for John Q even more in that movie.
    I completely agree Matt. CL
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdogchief76 View Post
    The key to changing this is having it be completely ILLEGAL for any insurance company to dictate what is medically necessary.
    Unfortunately, most Americans don't realize that their surgeons hands are tied by the insurance companies. Spine Patients (all patients for that matter) should be outraged that insurance companies directly dictate the health care they receive. What is deemed the best treatment / medically necessary by their surgeon comes in a distant second.

    I deal with this nonsense daily and it's truly maddening.

    Justin Averna
    Founder & President, Spine Patient Society™
    www.SpinePatientSociety.org
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    • 1994: Football Injury, Severe Hyperextension
    • 1997: Snow Skiing Injury
    • 3/7/1997: Laminotomy L4/L5
    • 1999 & 2003: Motor Vehicle Accidents (not at fault both times) --> Grade V Annular Tears L4/L5 & L5/L6
    • 11/15/2003: 2-Level ProDisc® L4/L5 & L5/L6*, *lumbosacral transitional vertebra --> Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    • 4/2008: 4.5 years pain-free before "new" leg pain
    • 5/14/2009: Dynamic Stabilization System L4/L5, Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    I'm here to help.
    Questions? Suggestions? Need help with registering, creating a signature, etc.?
    justin (at) spinepatientsociety.org


    Disclosure: I have no financial relationships with any surgeons, spine clinics, device manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, etc. -- the SPS Board of Directors serve without compensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    Unfortunately, most Americans don't realize that their surgeons hands are tied by the insurance companies. Spine Patients (all patients for that matter) should be outraged that insurance companies directly dictate the health care they receive. What is deemed the best treatment / medically necessary by their surgeon comes in a distant second.

    I deal with this nonsense daily and it's truly maddening.
    It doesn't have to be this way, does it Justin? I think this should be brought up in D.C. where policy gets made every day. Why don't our leaders propose a bill in our healthcare reform to change this? Power is given. Power can be taken away, no? CL
    • January 2000 MVA passenger, used jaws of life to retrieve me, neck injury and months of PT
    • June 2001 Bicycle accident, 2 compression fractures at T12/L1, Vertebroplasty Sept. 2001
    • April 2006 right hip, labral tear and repair
    • April 2007 3 level ProDisc @ L3/4, L4/5 & L5/6✷ ✷Lumbosacral transitional vertebra; Dr. Rudolph Bertagnoli
    • July 2, 2008 ALIF & Laminectomy @ L6/S1
    • July 30, 2008 re-opened 28 days later to remove bone cement that had leaked onto S1 nerve root
    • August 2008 Pulmonary embolism, double pneumonia, collapsed left lung, re-hospitalized 1 week
    • March 10, 2009 Right SI Joint Fusion
    • April 27, 2010 2nd right hip arthroscopy to remove adhesions and release psoas muscle
    • September 30, 2010 lumbar facet rhizotomy
    • December 9, 2010 12 bilateral lumbar trigger point and steroid injections
    • December 23, 2010 12 more bilateral trigger point injections w/o steroid
    • February 15, 2011 ESI bilaterally in lower lumbar...relief only for few days. Considering 1 more.
    Did Spinal Cord Stimulator trial from 5/11/11-5/17/11 with excellent results; Spinal Cord Stimulator surgery is Monday,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindylou View Post
    It doesn't have to be this way, does it Justin? I think this should be brought up in D.C. where policy gets made every day. Why don't our leaders propose a bill in our healthcare reform to change this? Power is given. Power can be taken away, no? CL
    I believe part of the problem is how powerful the lobbyists are. Everything comes down to money. Those that lobby for the insurance companies have a lot of power. I'm not sure what can be done, but I do hope people start seeing things for what they really are. Unfortunately, most Americans are educated about such issues through the talking points on a given news channel -- they don't really investigate what's going on for themselves.

    Justin Averna
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    • 1994: Football Injury, Severe Hyperextension
    • 1997: Snow Skiing Injury
    • 3/7/1997: Laminotomy L4/L5
    • 1999 & 2003: Motor Vehicle Accidents (not at fault both times) --> Grade V Annular Tears L4/L5 & L5/L6
    • 11/15/2003: 2-Level ProDisc® L4/L5 & L5/L6*, *lumbosacral transitional vertebra --> Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    • 4/2008: 4.5 years pain-free before "new" leg pain
    • 5/14/2009: Dynamic Stabilization System L4/L5, Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    I'm here to help.
    Questions? Suggestions? Need help with registering, creating a signature, etc.?
    justin (at) spinepatientsociety.org


    Disclosure: I have no financial relationships with any surgeons, spine clinics, device manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, etc. -- the SPS Board of Directors serve without compensation.

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    i am so glad to see this information form members,I have not had time to get back on the forum for the past week, and those of you who dont know who I am or why i am watching, I am a Chiropractor who recently had a 4 level surgery in Germany. Great success. I have been fighting this battle since may of 2010 to try and get approval, only to be lied to and mislead by bcbs of n.c. My appeal involves a so called regional medical director who turns out to be a family physian acting acting on a neurosurgical case. He is an idiot who has changed my medical records to justify his denial of my appeal. I am currently discussing options with an attorney, who i thought had the balls to go after this case, but he is referring me on to another attorney who handles this type of litigation. I am not sure of the outcome of his decison right now but will let everyone know as soon as i know more which should be next week. I have a feeling that most attorneys are hesitant to take on big blue. I think i have an excellent case and will be utilizing all my knowledge to carry this to the highest level in the United States of America. This is all about money and all the MDs I know are as fed up with Big insurance as we are. This country is broken and broke, I mean money as well as spirit. You can watch and see how bad it will get. If anyone wants to fight and has evidence that will hold up in a court of law, in a jury trail, let me know. The only was to win according to my attorneys is by a jury trail, so a demand will have to be made to make that happen. If your eyes are not open yet, Just keep watching. Sitting and doing nouthing will never make any change and the insurance companies who are getting richer every day are going to fight this to the end. No wonder revolution is taking place all over the world, and we are supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. Just look at our health care rating in relation to all the other countries. I will step and carry my load to stop this mess, but real help is needed. Larry

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    Hi Larry,

    Good luck with your fight. I would suggest keeping the details of your lawsuit off of the Forum, as it could come back to hurt you at some point in the future. You never know what a lawyer might use against you. Just trying to protect you as an SPS Member.



    Quote Originally Posted by stogner245 View Post
    i am so glad to see this information form members,I have not had time to get back on the forum for the past week, and those of you who dont know who I am or why i am watching, I am a Chiropractor who recently had a 4 level surgery in Germany. Great success. I have been fighting this battle since may of 2010 to try and get approval, only to be lied to and mislead by bcbs of n.c. My appeal involves a so called regional medical director who turns out to be a family physian acting acting on a neurosurgical case. He is an idiot who has changed my medical records to justify his denial of my appeal. I am currently discussing options with an attorney, who i thought had the balls to go after this case, but he is referring me on to another attorney who handles this type of litigation. I am not sure of the outcome of his decison right now but will let everyone know as soon as i know more which should be next week. I have a feeling that most attorneys are hesitant to take on big blue. I think i have an excellent case and will be utilizing all my knowledge to carry this to the highest level in the United States of America. This is all about money and all the MDs I know are as fed up with Big insurance as we are. This country is broken and broke, I mean money as well as spirit. You can watch and see how bad it will get. If anyone wants to fight and has evidence that will hold up in a court of law, in a jury trail, let me know. The only was to win according to my attorneys is by a jury trail, so a demand will have to be made to make that happen. If your eyes are not open yet, Just keep watching. Sitting and doing nouthing will never make any change and the insurance companies who are getting richer every day are going to fight this to the end. No wonder revolution is taking place all over the world, and we are supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. Just look at our health care rating in relation to all the other countries. I will step and carry my load to stop this mess, but real help is needed. Larry

    Justin Averna
    Founder & President, Spine Patient Society™
    www.SpinePatientSociety.org
    A 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Nonprofit & Charitable Organization


    • 1994: Football Injury, Severe Hyperextension
    • 1997: Snow Skiing Injury
    • 3/7/1997: Laminotomy L4/L5
    • 1999 & 2003: Motor Vehicle Accidents (not at fault both times) --> Grade V Annular Tears L4/L5 & L5/L6
    • 11/15/2003: 2-Level ProDisc® L4/L5 & L5/L6*, *lumbosacral transitional vertebra --> Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    • 4/2008: 4.5 years pain-free before "new" leg pain
    • 5/14/2009: Dynamic Stabilization System L4/L5, Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    I'm here to help.
    Questions? Suggestions? Need help with registering, creating a signature, etc.?
    justin (at) spinepatientsociety.org


    Disclosure: I have no financial relationships with any surgeons, spine clinics, device manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, etc. -- the SPS Board of Directors serve without compensation.

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    Thanks for the suggestion about watching what I say I have really been civil to most of the people I have had to deal with. I was just last week telling my wife, that I have to be very careful of what I say, especially in email or forum from. So I am listening. I so much want to tell a few people what I really think of big insurance and what really goes on behind closed doors. At this point all my efforts are speculative as far as any action through the courts, I am gathering infomation and will be deciding on the best course of action. Have a great day. I need to list more detail about myself and will get back to that asap.

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