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I'll be the Regenexx Stem Cell Therapy Guinea Pig!

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    ok guys! my first stem cell injection is tomorrow! i fly in from houston tomorrow morning, and leave that same evening.

    wish me luck!
    2008 - L4/L5 annular tear and DDD
    2009 -Dr. Frank Cammisa, prescribed Aleve, rec. ESI's and Physical Therapy.
    Nov. -Spinal Disc Decompression w DRX-9000. 20 Sessions. MRI showed no improvement.
    2010 -Regenexx Stem Cell Injection into L4/5 w/ 2 Platelet Rich Plasma Injections. No results.
    Oct. -Met w/ Dr. Zigler. Got ESI's. No Results. Recommended ADR. Referred to Mr. Nick Boeree.
    Nov. -M6-L ADR on Nov. 3rd with Mr. Boeree, The Spine Clinic, UK
    My Blog & Dr. Nick Boeree's Site

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    Good luck Mike. Here's hoping the injection goes well and you see results.
    Dave

    Diagnosed with DDD in Nov, 2007. MRI, EMG
    C3/4 C4/5 C5/6 C6/7
    Surgery 06.04.08--C5/6 and C6/7 w/Prodisc
    C4/5 deterioration progressing quickly
    MRI on lumbar shows disc herniation at L5/S1, stenosis at L3/4, L4/5, spondylosis and DDD at L2 through S1 in July, 2009
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike86 View Post
    ok guys! my first stem cell injection is tomorrow! i fly in from houston tomorrow morning, and leave that same evening.

    wish me luck!
    Travel safe Mike. Good luck!

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    • 1994: Football Injury, Severe Hyperextension
    • 1997: Snow Skiing Injury
    • 3/7/1997, 17 years old: Laminotomy L4/L5
    • 1999 & 2003: Motor Vehicle Accidents (not at fault both times) --> Grade V Annular Tears L4/L5 & L5/L6
    • 11/15/2003, 23 years old: 2-Level ProDisc® L4/L5 & L5/L6*, *lumbosacral transitional vertebra --> Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    • 4/2008: 4.5 years pain-free before "new" leg pain
    • 5/14/2009, 29 years old: Dynamic Stabilization System L4/L5, Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    I'm here to help.
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    Good luck Mike!!! Ill probbably be getting injections in a year or 2 once i save up the money maybe, but hopefully my current glucosamine dosages rehydrate my discs which can hold up till mesoblast stuff gets approved.
    Riding 4 wheeler and playing basketball. Collide with guy in mid air and I hit concrete on one leg and then fall down. Wake up in pain cant move for few hours, fine few days later. Back never the same.

    dec 2007 horseplaying with father, contained l5-s1 disc herniation with sciata on right leg, traction helps and time, pain free, diagnosed ddd l4/l5 and l5/s1

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    Wink I finally got my stem cells!

    Alright guys! I'm back from the Stem Cell Re-Injection! Boy has it been a busy and eventful day. Let me guide you through the details:

    I traveled alone and arrived in Denver at 110 AM. I went to pick up my car rental and drove to the mall near the clinic to get some food before the 30pm appointment (I got some sushi because I heard fish oil is good for joints!). I arrived at the clinic at 20pm only to be greeted by the $3000 for the stem cell re-injection Anyways, they took me inside at 2:45pm, took my blood pressure, and injected me with an antibiotic. They say the antibiotic was necessary to prevent infections, given the size of the stem cell needle

    Finally Dr. Schultz walks in and guides me through the process. We go over the MRI's and he develops an injection strategy (I guess it depends on where the herniation is and where you pain travels to). He decided to go with a LEFT approach. Also, he decided to do only ONE (1) stem cell re-injection for the whole treatment, given that the needle causes a lot of damage to the disc and he said i'm too young to have a damaged disc. So he decided to inject the whole 41 MILLION STEM CELLS today. That's right, FORTY ONE MILLION STEM CELLS.

    I walk into the procedure room, which looks like a surgery room. It has a live x-ray machine that moves very swiftly around me. He starts out with some local Anaestesia. He then proceeds to do a series of injections (well it felt like it at least). He then prepared the BIG MOMMA injection, which he guided to the center of the disc using the live x-ray machine. This process was extremely painful for me. I handled it like a man though! He then proceeded to inject some contrast die and then the stem cells. By the way, i took a look at the stem cells.. it's a white/creamy colored cream.. it's weird.. and it was a VERY small quantity... i just couldn't believe there were 41 million in there.

    He proceeded to inject the stem cells.. a procedure which he called MARVELOUS. He said he got them in exactly where he wanted them. After that, they proceded to draw some blood from my arm, which he would use to close down the hole that he made on the disc.. he patched it. This way the stem cells won't just squirt out the moment i stand up. This process was painful as hell too!

    After that, he said: WE'RE DONE! He told me to lie there for a while, and so I did. Then i started feeling a moderate pain somewhere around the area.. sort of like a huge needle being throbbed viciously. It only got worse after that. He said that these pain levels are normal.. some people get them, others don't. He proceded to give me an IV with some potent pain killer (he said it wasn't an anti-inflammatory because this is in the list of prohibited stuff i can't take). He then gave me a prescription for Oxycodone (i had never taken it before.. which was of concern to him..). Meanwhile, while all of this was happening, I was crying in pain. I couldn't stand up until the effects of the IV kicked in. Then I lied down for 15 minutes and proceded to leave the clinic given that my flight was at 7:30. So I went to walgreens (yes, i actually drove there.. i almost died in pain) and bought the medicine. Then I drove to the airport, and the pain killers started wearing off.. so I took an oxycodone. By the time i got to the airport, it kicked in.. and BOY WAS I HAPPY. I was a jolly old fella. I was greeting everyone! I boarded my plane, and midflight, THE PAIN CAME BACK AGAIN. So i took another pill and now here i am lying in bed.. very comfortably. If I try to move it starts hurting.. but I don't really want to move because I want to take care of my little baby stem cells.

    Recommendations:
    -FLY FIRST CLASS!
    -Stay a day after the stem-cell re-injection
    -Get someone to drive you
    -Get a comfortable car
    -GROW SOME BALLS, because this **** is painful!

    Some thoughts on Dr. Schultz:
    He's awesome. He's a great person, very understanding, and i consider him my friend (even though he charged me haha). He was very understanding of my pain, and did everything he could to control it. The procedure was flawless... he has some pretty amazing needle hands.

    So now, I have to take care of myself. No running, no doing stupid ****. No drinking, no drugs, no anything. Sounds like a reasonable price to pay for a pain-free lifetime after this.

    So anyways, WISH ME LUCK. I will be posting pain levels throughout the week. So stay tuned!

    I WILL POST PICTURES OF THE LIVE X-RAYS ONCE I SCAN THEM TOMORROW! I'VE GOT PICTURES OF THE NEEDLE GOING INTO THE DISC, THEN INJECTING THE CONTRAST DYE, AND THEN THE STEM CELLS. PRETTY SWEET!
    2008 - L4/L5 annular tear and DDD
    2009 -Dr. Frank Cammisa, prescribed Aleve, rec. ESI's and Physical Therapy.
    Nov. -Spinal Disc Decompression w DRX-9000. 20 Sessions. MRI showed no improvement.
    2010 -Regenexx Stem Cell Injection into L4/5 w/ 2 Platelet Rich Plasma Injections. No results.
    Oct. -Met w/ Dr. Zigler. Got ESI's. No Results. Recommended ADR. Referred to Mr. Nick Boeree.
    Nov. -M6-L ADR on Nov. 3rd with Mr. Boeree, The Spine Clinic, UK
    My Blog & Dr. Nick Boeree's Site

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    Mike, you are THE MAN!! I cannot believe you traveled alone and did this whole deal in one day! Holy cow! It sounds like it would have been a good idea to overnight in the area and travel home the next day, but somehow you pulled it off. I tip my hat to you. I will be very eager to watch your postings and progress on this procedure reducing your pain levels to 0%, hopefully.
    • January 2000 MVA passenger, used jaws of life to retrieve me, neck injury and months of PT
    • June 2001 Bicycle accident, 2 compression fractures at T12/L1, Vertebroplasty Sept. 2001
    • April 2006 right hip, labral tear and repair
    • April 2007 3 level ProDisc @ L3/4, L4/5 & L5/6✷ ✷Lumbosacral transitional vertebra; Dr. Rudolph Bertagnoli
    • July 2, 2008 ALIF & Laminectomy @ L6/S1
    • July 30, 2008 re-opened 28 days later to remove bone cement that had leaked onto S1 nerve root
    • August 2008 Pulmonary embolism, double pneumonia, collapsed left lung, re-hospitalized 1 week
    • March 10, 2009 Right SI Joint Fusion
    • April 27, 2010 2nd right hip arthroscopy to remove adhesions and release psoas muscle
    • September 30, 2010 lumbar facet rhizotomy
    • December 9, 2010 12 bilateral lumbar trigger point and steroid injections
    • December 23, 2010 12 more bilateral trigger point injections w/o steroid
    • February 15, 2011 ESI bilaterally in lower lumbar...relief only for few days. Considering 1 more.
    Did Spinal Cord Stimulator trial from 5/11/11-5/17/11 with excellent results; Spinal Cord Stimulator surgery is Monday,
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    Announcement Muscle Spasms?

    Hello everybody.

    I'm 2 days into my stem-cell re-injection. It seems that I have a couple of muscle spasms in my lower back. At least that's what I think.. Whenever I move such that my lower back muscles need to do some work, I get a sharp stabbing pain in my back. It's kind of obvious that it's my muscles because of this, and also because the needles were doing some pretty heavy work around and though them. I'm trying to calm them down before they cause any unnecessary pressure on my discs. Any tips on calming down my lower back muscles without using any medicine?

    I'm trying out my heating pad but i'm not allowed to use it more than twice a day and for more than 30 minutes.

    Thanks!
    2008 - L4/L5 annular tear and DDD
    2009 -Dr. Frank Cammisa, prescribed Aleve, rec. ESI's and Physical Therapy.
    Nov. -Spinal Disc Decompression w DRX-9000. 20 Sessions. MRI showed no improvement.
    2010 -Regenexx Stem Cell Injection into L4/5 w/ 2 Platelet Rich Plasma Injections. No results.
    Oct. -Met w/ Dr. Zigler. Got ESI's. No Results. Recommended ADR. Referred to Mr. Nick Boeree.
    Nov. -M6-L ADR on Nov. 3rd with Mr. Boeree, The Spine Clinic, UK
    My Blog & Dr. Nick Boeree's Site

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    Mike,

    Congrats on your successful trip--all in one day to boot!

    Quote Originally Posted by mike86 View Post
    Hello everybody.

    I'm 2 days into my stem-cell re-injection. It seems that I have a couple of muscle spasms in my lower back. At least that's what I think.. Whenever I move such that my lower back muscles need to do some work, I get a sharp stabbing pain in my back. It's kind of obvious that it's my muscles because of this, and also because the needles were doing some pretty heavy work around and though them. I'm trying to calm them down before they cause any unnecessary pressure on my discs. Any tips on calming down my lower back muscles without using any medicine?

    I'm trying out my heating pad but i'm not allowed to use it more than twice a day and for more than 30 minutes.

    Thanks!
    You can try ice to help with the inflammation / irritation.

    Justin Averna
    Founder & President, Spine Patient Society™
    www.SpinePatientSociety.org
    A 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Nonprofit & Charitable Organization

    • 1994: Football Injury, Severe Hyperextension
    • 1997: Snow Skiing Injury
    • 3/7/1997, 17 years old: Laminotomy L4/L5
    • 1999 & 2003: Motor Vehicle Accidents (not at fault both times) --> Grade V Annular Tears L4/L5 & L5/L6
    • 11/15/2003, 23 years old: 2-Level ProDisc® L4/L5 & L5/L6*, *lumbosacral transitional vertebra --> Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    • 4/2008: 4.5 years pain-free before "new" leg pain
    • 5/14/2009, 29 years old: Dynamic Stabilization System L4/L5, Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
    I'm here to help.
    Questions? Suggestions? Need help with registering, creating a signature, etc.?
    justin (at) spinepatientsociety.org


    Disclosure: I have no financial relationships with any surgeons, spine clinics, device manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, etc. -- the SPS Board of Directors serve without compensation.

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    Cool Live X-ray pics!

    Here are 4 pictures of the live x-rays that were being done during the procedure. It was basically a live x-ray video so he could guide the needle to the appropriate location. The dark areas are dark because they injected contrast dye through the needle so that he knows where the stem cells are being injected (you can't see the cells through x-ray, so you need a liquid that does show up on x-rays).

    The level is L4/L5.



    If you have any questions, let me know!
    2008 - L4/L5 annular tear and DDD
    2009 -Dr. Frank Cammisa, prescribed Aleve, rec. ESI's and Physical Therapy.
    Nov. -Spinal Disc Decompression w DRX-9000. 20 Sessions. MRI showed no improvement.
    2010 -Regenexx Stem Cell Injection into L4/5 w/ 2 Platelet Rich Plasma Injections. No results.
    Oct. -Met w/ Dr. Zigler. Got ESI's. No Results. Recommended ADR. Referred to Mr. Nick Boeree.
    Nov. -M6-L ADR on Nov. 3rd with Mr. Boeree, The Spine Clinic, UK
    My Blog & Dr. Nick Boeree's Site

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