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It's 2:30 a.m. and I still can't sleep

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    Default It's 2:30 a.m. and I still can't sleep

    I don't know what is going on here, but this is like the 3 or 4th night in a row, where I am up this late, and still up early in the morning. Last night I was up till 3:30 a.m. and up at 6 a.m. I can't imagine that the Tramadol is having this effect, but...don't know. Does anyone know if it has this side effect of not being able to sleep? I am going to try some shut eye now, so I'll see if this is finally my bewitching hour. I should really be looking like this by now!
    • January 2000 MVA passenger, used jaws of life to retrieve me, neck injury and months of PT
    • June 2001 Bicycle accident, 2 compression fractures at T12/L1, Vertebroplasty Sept. 2001
    • April 2006 right hip, labral tear and repair
    • April 2007 3 level ProDisc @ L3/4, L4/5 & L5/6✷ ✷Lumbosacral transitional vertebra; Dr. Rudolph Bertagnoli
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    • July 30, 2008 re-opened 28 days later to remove bone cement that had leaked onto S1 nerve root
    • August 2008 Pulmonary embolism, double pneumonia, collapsed left lung, re-hospitalized 1 week
    • March 10, 2009 Right SI Joint Fusion
    • April 27, 2010 2nd right hip arthroscopy to remove adhesions and release psoas muscle
    • September 30, 2010 lumbar facet rhizotomy
    • December 9, 2010 12 bilateral lumbar trigger point and steroid injections
    • December 23, 2010 12 more bilateral trigger point injections w/o steroid
    • February 15, 2011 ESI bilaterally in lower lumbar...relief only for few days. Considering 1 more.
    Did Spinal Cord Stimulator trial from 5/11/11-5/17/11 with excellent results; Spinal Cord Stimulator surgery is Monday,
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    Makes me a bit dopey, but no other major problems. I'm on the slow release stuff -

    SIDE EFFECTS: Tramadol is generally well tolerated, and side effects are usually transient. Commonly reported side effects include nausea, constipation, dizziness, headache, drowsiness, and vomiting. Less commonly reported side effects include itching, sweating, dry mouth, diarrhea, rash, visual disturbances, and vertigo. Some patients who received tramadol have reported seizures. Abrupt withdrawal of tramadol may result in anxiety, sweating, insomnia, rigors, pain, nausea, diarrhea, tremors, and hallucinations.
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    2009 May 2nd Op Failed revision fusion on L5/S1 with Charite ADR in situ
    2008 Caudal epidural exacerbated nerve symptoms. Prolapse L2/L3
    2007 L5/S1 Facet deterioration
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    CL,

    I tried Tramadol about 6 months ago, and it did the same thing to me. Gave me a really funny feeling, anxiety and could not sleep. I quit after 1 week. Main reason because it did nothing for my pain.
    Dave

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    C4/5 deterioration progressing quickly
    MRI on lumbar shows disc herniation at L5/S1, stenosis at L3/4, L4/5, spondylosis and DDD at L2 through S1 in July, 2009
    Nerve Root, Facet Injections and Epidural every 3 months. Ongoing treatment for continued degeneration.


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    Hey Cindy,

    Is it at least helping with the pain? Can you take something else that may counteract (if it is doing the same as it did to Dave) and help you get some zzzzzzzzzz's? Maybe Benedryl or something? I have taken a generic one called Alledryl and it knocked me flat, where the Benedryl didn't. Same basic ingredients, so go figure.

    I've been up every two hours too, and sometimes can't get back to sleep for several, so am getting about three to four hours in total. Guess we're all in good company When I don't get enough sleep, I start to feel nauseus. Hope you aren't feeling that bad too.

    Whenever I dig out a big boring book, I tend to drift off quickly too (even if it doesn't last). War and Peace in your library?
    Severe compression of spinal cord, flaval ligament, etc. at C4/5 & 5/6.
    Herniation and compression, at L3/4 to L5/S1 plus spondylosis at the latter level. Severe allergy to most metals.
    Three level surgery in Brazil with Dr. Luiz Pimenta on March 17/2010 using non-metal appliances. L5/S1-PEEK cage, ALIF; L4/5-PEEK cage, XLIF; C5/6-NuVasive NeoDisc. Three separate approaches, two minimally invasive. Currently minor residual back pain, from SI ligament and still overdoing things . Therapy and chiropractic treatments helping immensely. Gone from being almost bedridden to near normal activities including gardening. Life is gooooood!

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    That is totally weird Dave. My symptoms are very similar to yours. Not quite as anxious, but just wired like I have been on a 24 hour coffee binge.It is giving me about 15-20% relief Katie, which is better than nothing. Alyison, thank-you for the side effect list. The one I am on is a slow release as while. What mg is yours? Mine is 100mg. Thankfully, tomorrow I see my pain management doctor.
    • January 2000 MVA passenger, used jaws of life to retrieve me, neck injury and months of PT
    • June 2001 Bicycle accident, 2 compression fractures at T12/L1, Vertebroplasty Sept. 2001
    • April 2006 right hip, labral tear and repair
    • April 2007 3 level ProDisc @ L3/4, L4/5 & L5/6✷ ✷Lumbosacral transitional vertebra; Dr. Rudolph Bertagnoli
    • July 2, 2008 ALIF & Laminectomy @ L6/S1
    • July 30, 2008 re-opened 28 days later to remove bone cement that had leaked onto S1 nerve root
    • August 2008 Pulmonary embolism, double pneumonia, collapsed left lung, re-hospitalized 1 week
    • March 10, 2009 Right SI Joint Fusion
    • April 27, 2010 2nd right hip arthroscopy to remove adhesions and release psoas muscle
    • September 30, 2010 lumbar facet rhizotomy
    • December 9, 2010 12 bilateral lumbar trigger point and steroid injections
    • December 23, 2010 12 more bilateral trigger point injections w/o steroid
    • February 15, 2011 ESI bilaterally in lower lumbar...relief only for few days. Considering 1 more.
    Did Spinal Cord Stimulator trial from 5/11/11-5/17/11 with excellent results; Spinal Cord Stimulator surgery is Monday,
    July 18, 2011

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    CL, sorry about the sleep issues. Good luck tomorrow with your pain management doc.

    Wishing you the very best.

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    Hi CL

    So Sorry to hear about your sleep issues.

    Good luck tomorrow with your pain Doc.

    Gil
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    Hey CL,
    I'm sorry to hear about your sleep issues. I've been thinking about you a lot and hope you get to feeling better soon. Is tramadol all you are taking now? Maybe you can't sleep because your body wants the real narcotic you were taking and not the tramadol. I've cut my OxyIR 5mg dosage in half a few weeks ago and haven't been feeling so well - down to about 30 mg a day now. I hope you sleep much better tonight.
    Linda
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    L2-3 minimal disc bulge
    L5-S1 ADR cancelled 8-14 need to reschedule
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    Hey Cindy Lou,
    Sorry for my post. I just reread your other thread and realized you have kind of been off the narcotics. I guess it is just plain hard to sleep when you are in so much pain.
    Linda
    L5-S1 shot with small schmorl's node
    L4-5 mild bulge with mild facet DJD
    L2-3 minimal disc bulge
    L5-S1 ADR cancelled 8-14 need to reschedule
    Major pain everyday

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    It's tough when going through all this and unable to sleep. Hopefully, you're pain management doctor will get things squared away tomorrow.

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    Discectomy/Laminotomy, 1999
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    Stalif Fusion L5-S1, 3/07
    Intrepid Fusion L4-L5, 7/08
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    Facet Joint Injections (L3-S1) 4/09
    RF Ablation (Medial Branch) 5/09
    CT Scan, MRI w/ contrast (no new info) 5/09
    Latest:
    - I wake up with no pain
    - Stand/sit for 15 mins., pinching pain begins
    - Pain at center, core L4-L5
    - Lying down, pulsing/throbbing pain for 2-3 hours
    - Taking 6-8 Norcos/day
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