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Do NOT underestimate the Scar Tissue... Issue

This is a discussion on Do NOT underestimate the Scar Tissue... Issue within the Spine-Related Conditions & Conservative Spine Treatment forums, part of the General Spine Discussion Forums category; Originally Posted by Gilbert P Hi Helmut On my MRI it states Epidural Fibrosis at the surgical site Any suggestions. ...

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    Default Re: Do NOT underestimate the Scar Tissue... Issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilbert P View Post
    Hi Helmut

    On my MRI it states Epidural Fibrosis at the surgical site

    Any suggestions.

    I am doing P.T. three times a week and taking naproxin some help?

    Thanks

    Gil
    Thank god I have no experience with epidural fibrosis, all that I have been told is that in case that it develops physio therapy should help. I also have been told that you can show the MRI's to several different doctors and they might interpret it differently as epidural fibrosis is not easily 100% verifiable, but I suppose as long as you have pain that is not much help. Some people say that a lot of movement can be similar to flossing the nerve free as the nerve supposedly moves but nobody knows exactly.
    I hope it gets better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keano16 View Post
    There are few way of treating scar tissue:
    1. Epiduroscopy
    2. Ratz Chateter
    3. Re-operation.
    None of these are inherently effective, depending on which literature you read. The Epiduroscopy has gone out of favor as been ineffective and rarely (if ever) covered by insurance. The Racz catheter shows promise, but the results have been iffy. I had one of these procedures done about 2 years ago and, while the doctor claimed it was the next best thing since sliced bread, it didn't do a whole lot. The way someone explained it to me is that hitting well fomed scar tissue with saline/steroids it tantamount to spraying water at a concrete brick wall. It just doesn't have the ability to break it down. Now, I'm not an expert (just giving my own experience), but some still swear by it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keano16 View Post
    And finally and most important, scar tissue does not occur in most minimallly-invasive procedures (like endoscopic discectomy) and this is one of the reasons why this techniques and equipment were invented, and this is why in following years there will almost be no traditional open surgeries for "simple" cases like herniated discs.
    Not sure where you came up with this blanket conclusion, and would certainly appreciate data to support this claim. As someone who had an endoscopic microdiscectomy at L5/S1, I can tell you that there most certainly IS scarring which results from this type of surgery. While I wouldn't characterize my example as significant scarring, a recent EMG showed that there is continued impingement of my S1 nerve root, most likely consistent with fibrotic adhesion. I certainly don't want to find fault with your logic, but just want people to understand the reality of MIS surgery.
    1991 L4/5 bulged
    2003 MVA, minor whiplash
    2007 L5/S1 herniates, conservative treatment then Micro-D
    2008 Same level reherniation, Conserv. treatment (PT, acu, 3 X ESI, chiro, etc)
    2009 Lumbar worsens, Surgical rec. = nothing, fuse, ADR. Cervical symptoms = pain in neck/shoulders + fingers tingle. C3/4 - T1 bulge.
    2010 - MRI, Disco. + CT (neg for pain, 50% height loss L5/S1). Conserv. treatment (PT, prolo, chiro, cymbalta, etc). Surgical rec. - ALIF, TLIF, do nothing

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    Hi Tatonka

    Keno will not reply he has been banned from this site.

    I agree with you scaring occurs any time you get inside the body,

    I have the same issues with my L5-S1 nerve issues left leg and getting worse,

    Gil
    L5-S1 lam 1994
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    L3 -L4 hern Dec 2007.
    L4-L5 Annular fissure with mild central stenosis and moderate facet hypertrophy.
    L5-S1 bilaterial neural foraminal narrowing with inferior effacement.
    L2-L3 Right-sided neural foraminal narrowing
    L3-L4 related to posterolateral hypertrophic spurs and facet hypertrophy.
    C3-C4 limited DDD
    15 injections Depo. P.T. 18 months 9 dose packs,
    Nerve Block Injections.4 ESI S1
    L5-S1 Foraminotomy 09
    L4-L5 Microdiscectomy 09 ReHerniation 4-2010
    Surgery 6-29-11 L4-L5-S1 Decompression Fusion L5-S1 and Coflex F implants


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