Hi Bohnrods
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We do not allow any bashing on this side, spine surgery is not perfect.
All spine surgery no matter where you have it done may have bad outcomes, lets keep it positive
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This is a discussion on Hasty Surgery -- Cervical ADR at Stenum within the Surgical Outcomes forums, part of the Spine Surgery Forums category; Does anyone on this site realize the real outcomes of stenum patients? Sure they give you all the positive outcome ...
Does anyone on this site realize the real outcomes of stenum patients? Sure they give you all the positive outcome patients, does anyone know what happens to patients with bad results? I was a stenum patient and I know about a lot of bad results from this hospital. Anyone can contact me for proof. Check out stenumnightmare.com and begin your journey toward reality.
Bohnrods![]()
Hi Bohnrods
and
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We do not allow any bashing on this side, spine surgery is not perfect.
All spine surgery no matter where you have it done may have bad outcomes, lets keep it positive
Gil![]()
L5-S1 lam 1994
L2 to L5 DDD
L3 -L4 hern Dec 2007.
L4-L5 Annular fissure with mild central stenosis and moderate facet hypertrophy.
L5-S1 bilaterial neural foraminal narrowing with inferior effacement.
L2-L3 Right-sided neural foraminal narrowing
L3-L4 related to posterolateral hypertrophic spurs and facet hypertrophy.
C3-C4 limited DDD
15 injections Depo. P.T. 18 months 9 dose packs,
Nerve Block Injections.4 ESI S1
L5-S1 Foraminotomy 09
L4-L5 Microdiscectomy 09 ReHerniation 4-2010
Surgery 6-29-11 L4-L5-S1 Decompression Fusion L5-S1 and Coflex F implants
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* Stenum Hospital (Germany) Maverick disc implanted (10-19-07) L4-L5
* To view my post-op video's click- http://www.youtube.com/ type ADR surgery into the space bar
* Fusion of c5-c6 on (11-02-09) Boston, USAhttp://fusion-c5-c6.blogspot.com/
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I watched your story they implanted a pro disc
How much pain are you in?
How is your quality of life?
Things could of been a lot worse,
All The Best
Gil![]()
L5-S1 lam 1994
L2 to L5 DDD
L3 -L4 hern Dec 2007.
L4-L5 Annular fissure with mild central stenosis and moderate facet hypertrophy.
L5-S1 bilaterial neural foraminal narrowing with inferior effacement.
L2-L3 Right-sided neural foraminal narrowing
L3-L4 related to posterolateral hypertrophic spurs and facet hypertrophy.
C3-C4 limited DDD
15 injections Depo. P.T. 18 months 9 dose packs,
Nerve Block Injections.4 ESI S1
L5-S1 Foraminotomy 09
L4-L5 Microdiscectomy 09 ReHerniation 4-2010
Surgery 6-29-11 L4-L5-S1 Decompression Fusion L5-S1 and Coflex F implants
Bohnrods,
They gave you the wrong implant!?! And lied to you about it later!? You wanted a ProDisc, they sold you on an M6, gave you a Prestige, and then continue to tell you that you have an M6 when the x-ray shows a Prestige!? That's outrageous.
I have two M6's, and an x-ray to prove it; it shows my two prior fusions and titanium plate. It's probably not any consolation, but my surgeon (Pablo Clavel, Barcelona Spine Center) preferred the Prestige over the M6. He implanted the M6's only at my insistence. Again, I know it's no consolation, but all cervical ADRs are subject to autofusion. I've read that the Bryan is the most susceptible, and the M6 is the least. I hope my M6's don't autofuse, because I'll then have four adjacent cervical fusions.
Too bad you have no realistic recourse.
Jeff
C4/5 fusion, January 2000
C5/6 fusion, February 2002
C3/4 & C6/7 - M6 ADR, Nov 2009, Barcelona
Conceded defeat to a manifestly disingenuous BCBS-TX in my quest for reimbursement, Jan 2011
I visited your site and I do understand the confusion as to what you actually did get implanted but the Prestige is a good implant and it was originally planned for your surgery. Sure there should not be confusion regarding what was implanted and you should see the surgeon in the days afterwards to discuss what was done and is seen on the xray.
I don't understand the comment abot scraping away bone to make room then stuffing it in and sewing back up. That is basically what is done with all of them.
Your 10 points in your story are not well researched. A lot of this willl happen to you more or less at any offshore hospital and not just Stenum. You need to be a little more specific. Follow up once you are home is always a carefull consideration. You are very fortunate to have insurance pay for your treatment. Do people actually pay with dollars in the lobby??? I thought one prepaid using a wiretransfer. Your details need to be more precise and correct if you want the reader to take the site seriously and not just another bashing attempt, even if you state the facts are real.
I think this topic belongs elsewhere, not under introductions.
Nov 07: Fusion (Stalif) S1/L5, ADR L4/5 (Activ-L)for strong back and leg pain (Zeegers, Germany).
Nov 09: 2 level cervical ADR Prodisc-C (Nova) C4/5/6 to stop progression of cervical myleopathy. (Bertagnoli, Germany).
I would also be mad if I went over there to get a soft disc like the M6 and got stuck with a hard disc.
C4-5: Mild disc height loss with central annular fissure. Small broad-based left paracentral disc protrusion. Moderate central canal stenosis-the disc protrusion abuts and mildly flattens the left ventral surface of the spinal canal.
C5-6: Disc desiccation with mild height loss.Diffuse discosteophyte bulge anduncovertebral joint hypertrophy, moderate central canal stenosis- Severe neuroforaminal stenosis bilaterally, right greater than left
Fuzzy, Just for the record, stenum hospital is notorious for hasty surgery! Do you know they turn down no-one. Can you please explain how my 10 points are not well researched. They are ALL from first hand knowledge. Ask me specifically any questions you like or private message me and I`ll call you back! As far as weather the facts are real open your mind and look at the documents. I am clearly challenging anyone to contest my information. Are you a doctor or something? You seem to act like you have some type of experience. What do you know about stenum or their track record? My site is 100% fact! I don`t think you know anything about stenum hospital. Bohnrods![]()
Bohnrods
Bohnrods,
Thank you for sharing your personal experience with Stenum. I understand your frustration with your situation. As with any surgeon / clinic, Stenum has had both "good" and "bad" results. However, I believe that it's inappropriate to paint Stenum with such a wide brush by making gross generalizations or talking in such absolute terms.
Justin Averna
Founder & President, Spine Patient Society™
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I'm here to help.
- 1994: Football Injury, Severe Hyperextension
- 1997: Snow Skiing Injury
- 3/7/1997: Laminotomy L4/L5
- 1999 & 2003: Motor Vehicle Accidents (not at fault both times) --> Grade V Annular Tears L4/L5 & L5/L6
- 11/15/2003: 2-Level ProDisc® L4/L5 & L5/L6*, *lumbosacral transitional vertebra --> Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
- 4/2008: 4.5 years pain-free before "new" leg pain
- 5/14/2009: Dynamic Stabilization System L4/L5, Dr. Rudolf Bertagnoli
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